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 Post subject: Unidentified film stock.
PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:41 am 
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I have just been lubricating a print, the original film was shot in Super Cinecolor. Nowhere is there any identifying marks to tell me the filmstock used. Has anyone come across this before?.


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 Post subject: Re: Unidentified film stock.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:38 pm 
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Robert, is this an original print, or do you suspect it's a newer restrike? I come across unmarked "modern era" lowfade stock. Paul Ivester's site has some interesting commentary on Cinecolor and SuperCinecolor. (Doubtful any 16mm was struck in SuperCinecolor...35mm, yes.) http://www.paulivester.com/films/filmstock/guide.htm


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It's definitely an old print Chris; it's 'Drums in the South'. Got it from Paul Foster. Avertised it as Eastman, but doesn't say Eastman anywhere. The film is mostly blue not red or pink, and copies on Youtube and at archive.org are the same.
I read Paul Ivester's page on Cinecolor. Ian Partridge gives an image of a 16mm Cinecolor print. Haven't seen anything in Supercinecolor. http://ian-partridge.com/cinecolor.html


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What color is the soundtrack on the print? DRUMS IN THE DEEP SOUTH is, I believe, in the public domain so there is a possibility of numerous dupes. Any original lab leader?


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Hi Chris, has the original leaders and tails. Will try to scan some frames tomorrow. Wondered why filmstock would have no identification on it. You are quite right, 'Drums in the Deep South' is in the public domain.


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Definitely no stock ID anywhere, Robert? Sometimes it can be faded in places?
I'd be interested in hearing more about this stock.
I reckon Steve Sigel is the man to ask.

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Hello Mick, I've got one or two Eastman prints where the edge info is clearly visible. I enclose a couple of scans. The first one is pale purple, but when you get to the countdown leader, from then on it's a deep purple; the soundtrack has turned the same colour. I have an Eastman feature, and the soundtrack is red, or pink, the same as the image. Also I have added two images from a DVD posted online, and the colour is purple. The film seems to have stronger colour than the same image from the DVD.

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I don't wish to divert anyone away from this fine forum, but you could try posting this on the 16mm forum, Robert. You should get some answers there.

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Hi Mick,
I'm not a member of that forum.


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An easy way to identify a genuine Cinecolor print is that it is coated with emulsion on both sides. One side carries the red color range, the other carries the blue. If making a cement splice, both sides of the splice area must be thoroughly scraped. If your print has emulsion on one side only, it is some other color system. That does not necessarily indicate a "dupe" as some Cinecolor films were later distributed in other color systems.


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